How Aim Talisman will kill the game

  • The most geared glad in the game barely reaches 6.9k aim with full aim sc and you're telling me 6.5k aim is easy for a glad to reach without SK? You haven't met a player that doesn't own at least 1 pair of mal ears? You clearly have no knowledge of this game or glads please just stop embarrassing yourself.

  • gleeo how many years has mlhc been out? more then 4 years. i can assure u there is way more ml ears then players

    last week alone there was 2 dropping

    there is really no reason to not have ml ears by now, especially if u pvp

  • gleeo how many years has mlhc been out? more then 4 years. i can assure u there is way more ml ears then players

    last week alone there was 2 dropping

    there is really no reason to not have ml ears by now, especially if u pvp

    Yeah and let's use the same logic and say there is really no reason people to not have SK items, oh wait LMAO. HC ears are the last pieces capped players should purchase or worry about, period. Not everyone is a hardcore pvper and those ears don't show their values unless your other gears and jewels are godly. And for glads, godly gears and DQ jewels already mean hundreds of gems.

  • gleeo how many years has mlhc been out? more then 4 years. i can assure u there is way more ml ears then players

    last week alone there was 2 dropping

    there is really no reason to not have ml ears by now, especially if u pvp

    I guarantee you most mal ears in the game are currently in the hands of players who don't play anymore. Not every person has a char to use to actually raid mal and most capped players who own mal ears rn bought one from someone else. Mal hc has been out for more than 4 years and mal ears still go for 300+ G for a reason.

  • Yeah, and what about my other pieces? My boots alone would probably go for another $30-40. You literally never met a player who doesn't own at least a pair of ml ears? LMAO stop making stuff up. I don't know the exact numbers, but there are a few in Isya. You're seriously saying everyone has something that costs hunderds of gems? Idiot. Stop theory-crafting and go make a capped glad then. Until then, you don't have the resources nor do you have the knowledge to gear up a decent glad, so stop rambling. You probably have no HP or below 10x HP on those jewels :D. Again, jewels with garbage HP but high aim aren't hard to obtain, but balanced ones are. You're probably sitting at around 7-8k w/o extender wondering why you're getting dropped from a single tomahawk with vit.

    well if good gears are that far out of your reality ill give u a different example

    meaning no ml ears, stats far from cap, no eva sc

    Said archer/trickster/glad without these features will have eva around 5,4-5,6K

    u wont have problem 1-stacking those with your 4,9k aim

    so a 20$glad wont have problem killing a 20$ archer/reaper/glad


    the point is that youre ignorant enough to think your 20$ glad is supposed to be able to kill a 200$ archer/trickster/glad

    u already saving enough money by only going for 2 stats (hp/aim) rather then those having to look for 3 good stats



    The most geared glad in the game barely reaches 6.9k aim with full aim sc and you're telling me 6.5k aim is easy for a glad to reach without SK? You haven't met a player that doesn't own at least 1 pair of mal ears? You clearly have no knowledge of this game or glads please just stop embarrassing yourself.

    as u said above those glads reaching 6,9k aim (wich was as i said including aim scroll and buffs) also the ones having 6,4k eva

    going for only hp aim 6,4k aim is achievable without major problems



    If u two have nothing left then insulting me or obsessing about minor details u can stay quiet now

    u two puppets have already done your job proving that the only ones complaining about eva are poorly geared glads

  • Archers/tricksters are eva dependant which is completely fine. Nobody is complaining about eva on either of those classes. However, glads with the same eva as most tricksters/archers has no place in this game. What are you talking about 20$ glad? I've dumped over 200+ hammers into my glad to have the gear/stats I have. Gamigo's GM's claim the game is not pay to win yet the most geared glads with 6k+ sc have spent thousands of dollars to get the gears they have. I'm not expecting to be able to 1 stack them I'm against the huge p2w BS the game has become. These people don't even farm gear they just buy hundreds of hammers and hope to get lucky. Hell yeah the only ones complaining about eva are poorly geared glads and the only ones defending it are the ones who can't even play mage properly. Foh

  • Bro, DM me your in-game name LOL. I wanna see what kinda ungeared player you really are. At this point, I think your gears are worth $20. FYI, no capped glad gears/jewels/axe will go for $20. Assuming 2:1 rate, that's 40G, barely enough for a fail axe+12. You're actually stupid and something's wrong in the head if you think a $20 glad can kill a $200 archer/trickster/glad.


    I won't have any problem one stacking those classes if a) they have no idea what they're doing and b) only have eva going for them (no HP/def). I don't know how many times I have to say this, but eva/aim aren't the only stats people strive for, yet you stubbornly believe so. Let me guess, your gears are only filled with eva/aim? Pathetic. A decent archer assuming decent gears can kill most glads (without loaded on def. SC) before they even get in range. SS has been a known counter to glads with knockbacks (just need to time skills right) and rangers can kite for days with entraps, stun, and root. Reaps counter glads, period. Why do you think some glads buy a HG shield or make 90 leg s/s?


    Like I said, going for HP/Aim isn't a problem for most classes, but for glads, those two stats alone are expensive. Looks like you can't get that into your brain because you have no knowledge and have the logic of a 10 year old. Again, let's see your gears and stats.

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  • Suggest a Eva Talisman and the World will be back in normal^^


    What are you talking about 20$ glad? I've dumped over 200+ hammers into my glad to have the gear/stats I have.

    Its good that you didnt have to spend so much in your Gear anymore, the Game will with this Talisman will be a little less P2W

    How i said, we need a Eva Talisman and all will be good.

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  • Suggest a Eva Talisman and the World will be back in normal^^


    Its good that you didnt have to spend so much in your Gear anymore, the Game will with this Talisman will be a little less P2W

    How i said, we need a Eva Talisman and all will be good.

    No. I'm not even going to bother explaining how eva glads will abuse it. Seeing as the talismans are tradeable and not character-bound, the top glads will dump hundreds to get multiple. If they do make it bound to character (they can still get the "eva talisman" but sacrifice aim or defense) or nerf base stats on glad gears, then yes, giving the evasion boost to archers and trix will have the intended effect.

  • Archers/tricksters are eva dependant which is completely fine. Nobody is complaining about eva on either of those classes. However, glads with the same eva as most tricksters/archers has no place in this game. What are you talking about 20$ glad? I've dumped over 200+ hammers into my glad to have the gear/stats I have. Gamigo's GM's claim the game is not pay to win yet the most geared glads with 6k+ sc have spent thousands of dollars to get the gears they have. I'm not expecting to be able to 1 stack them I'm against the huge p2w BS the game has become. These people don't even farm gear they just buy hundreds of hammers and hope to get lucky. Hell yeah the only ones complaining about eva are poorly geared glads and the only ones defending it are the ones who can't even play mage properly. Foh

    yes but with the 1,5k aim the aim talisman will give literally nothing will miss on anything screwing over the already least played classes

    as i told the first guy, u might be wrong here and want to make a thread to nerv glads eva since that seems to be your major complaint


    Bro, DM me your in-game name LOL. I wanna see what kinda ungeared player you really are. At this point, I think your gears are worth $20. FYI, no capped glad gears/jewels/axe will go for $20. Assuming 2:1 rate, that's 40G, barely enough for a fail axe+12. You're actually stupid and something's wrong in the head if you think a $20 glad can kill a $200 archer/trickster/glad.


    I won't have any problem one stacking those classes if a) they have no idea what they're doing and b) only have eva going for them (no HP/def). I don't know how many times I have to say this, but eva/aim aren't the only stats people strive for, yet you stubbornly believe so. Let me guess, your gears are only filled with eva/aim? Pathetic. A decent archer assuming decent gears can kill most glads (without loaded on def. SC) before they even get in range. SS has been a known counter to glads with knockbacks (just need to time skills right) and rangers can kite for days with entraps, stun, and root. Reaps counter glads, period. Why do you think some glads buy a HG shield or make 90 leg s/s?


    Like I said, going for HP/Aim isn't a problem for most classes, but for glads, those two stats alone are expensive. Looks like you can't get that into your brain because you have no knowledge and have the logic of a 10 year old. Again, let's see your gears and stats.

    20$/200$ was clearly a oversimplified argumentation aid (we all know u wont even get ur set +10 with 20$) so stop obsessing about details and argument against the general point i make


    idk why im even arguing with u, u dont have ml ears u clearly have no clue what ur doing. well...


    "I won't have any problem one stacking those classes if a) they have no idea what they're doing and b) only have eva going for them (no HP/def). "

    thanks for arguing in my favor here. Even glads with 4.9k aim say they have no problem 1stacking a ranger/reaper focused on eva

    ----> no reason to introduce an aim talisman


    " I have to say this, but eva/aim aren't the only stats people strive for"

    As an average glad u literally dont have any buisness looking for any stat besides hp/aim so as proven earlier 5,5-6k aim should be basic for this type of glad

    As also discussed earlier the difference between having decent def on every piece of your gear VS no def on gear is ~2k = less then 7% --->Minor

    then theres the glads who go for the best gear off HP/aim/eva (wich im not saying anyone has to go for) wich spent tripple the amount of money then the average glad. Those are the players getting scammed by the introduction of this aim talisman since all their effort is useless now


    "SS has been a known counter to glads with knockbacks (just need to time skills right) and rangers can kite for days with entraps, stun, and root. Reaps counter glads, period. Why do you think some glads buy a HG shield or make 90 leg s/s?"

    ONCE AGAIN (can u guys come up with something new pls im getting bored) first of all if glad is that bad, why is 80% of the player base Glad main??Then, get a buff and rangers/sharpshooters cant kill anyone.

    yes glad cant beat reaper at the moment (partly due to their evasion buff being broken) BUT does the most useful class in PVE as well as PVP(arguably glad or wl) really have to be able to beat every other class??


    save yourself the insults we arent in high school anymore, i wont give u my ingame name im aware of the hate i will generate in 80% of the player base by speaking the uncomfortable truth

  • None of my or Xeno's arguments are in your favor. Stop being delusional. If you only have eva in your gears, you deserve to be one stacked. Why? Because your gears are crap. Same thing for glads who have only aim in their gears. They're not touching anyone ranged and a knight can probably stack with s/s to end these glads. How many times do I have to say this? Getting 5.5-6k aim on a glad is not basic given the class needs a decent/good HP as well, and if we don't count aim SC/DQ reds/aim scrolls. If we ARE counting DQ reds, like I said, maybe that suggests the stats on these red suits need a nerf.


    Again, PLEASE GET THIS TO YOUR BRAIN: DECENT HP/AIM ALONE ARE EXPENSIVE FOR GLADS. The defense bonus on every gear pieces alone doesn't add up a lot, but with defense SC or 3-piece DQ reds, it makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE.


    People play glads not because they are kings in 1v1 PvP. I don't know where you got that idea from, but the truth is they get countered by pretty much every class in 1v1. People play glads because they are kings in PvE, meaning that there are more spots for them for raids, especially TOG=more income. If you can't beat an average glad (not the ones with jaw-dropping gears) as an archer, that's seriously on your lack of skills or your gears/SC. Just look at the skills for archers past 100/120 and you'll see how there are multiple ways to counter a glad from even reaching you before they die from dots/bomb/kites. Glads become useful in PvP only in FBZ wars/GT when they're charmed, because their stats go out of control with passive and vit. People play glads because they actually require some skills (especially in glad vs glad fights) with CC, dash, and set switching, so there's more "fun".


    Stop making a fool of yourself. I highly doubt you even have ML ears, and if you do, go do yourself a favor and sell it and buy decent gears/jewels instead.

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  • the top glads will dump hundreds to get multiple. If they do make it bound to character (they can still get the "eva talisman" but sacrifice aim or defense)

    Thats a good thing, you have Set and Bracelet Switch atm, why not a Talisman Switch? That makes it even more interesting.

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    Gladi | Gladi | Waldi | Zaubi | HK | Kreuzi | Wächter | SS | Hexi | Wächter | Gladi | Ordi | Hexi | Luna | SS

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  • None of my or Xeno's arguments are in your favor. Stop being delusional. If you only have eva in your gears, you deserve to be one stacked. Why? Because your gears are crap. Same thing for glads who have only aim in their gears. They're not touching anyone ranged and a knight can probably stack with s/s to end these glads. How many times do I have to say this? Getting 5.5-6k aim on a glad is not basic given the class needs a decent/good HP as well, and if we don't count aim SC/DQ reds/aim scrolls. If we ARE counting DQ reds, like I said, maybe that suggests the stats on these red suits need a nerf.


    Again, PLEASE GET THIS TO YOUR BRAIN: DECENT HP/AIM ALONE ARE EXPENSIVE FOR GLADS. The defense bonus on every gear pieces alone doesn't add up a lot, but with defense SC or 3-piece DQ reds, it makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE.


    People play glads not because they are kings in 1v1 PvP. I don't know where you got that idea from, but the truth is they get countered by pretty much every class in 1v1. People play glads because they are kings in PvE, meaning that there are more spots for them for raids, especially TOG=more income. If you can't beat an average glad (not the ones with jaw-dropping gears) as an archer, that's seriously on your lack of skills or your gears/SC. Just look at the skills for archers past 100/120 and you'll see how there are multiple ways to counter a glad from even reaching you before they die from dots/bomb/kites. Glads become useful in PvP only in FBZ wars/GT when they're charmed, because their stats go out of control with passive and vit. People play glads because they actually require some skills (especially in glad vs glad fights) with CC, dash, and set switching, so there's more "fun".

    jeez ur like a triggered bot on repeat, not that ive explained that all to you already but here we go again,


    at no point i said archer/trickster/eva glad need only eva on gears,

    ALL those existing eva based classes need to have HP and Aim in their build as well else their eva is useless, even as u stated above

    Thats what makes it even worse, u know those eva based characters cost so much more then the only HP/Aim classes that can counter them already

    now introducing a idiotic high aim talisman will scam those expensive eva based classes even more since now players like u with none to barely any aim on their gear wont miss on them anymore. DQ raids are obtainable by everyone yet barely anyone put the effort to farm them, part of the reason being how well aim sc stacks up with itself, high base aim and ML ears (u wouldnt know)


    Def on gears is a bonus, not the priority. 2k difference (for the example absolute no def vs proper def on all!!!) def is and will stay minor and can be compensated by 1 piece of sc. Also this point has been discussed enough before, do u not even read what i write?


    Glads being the strongest in PVE as well as PVP is a inextinguishable fact due to their highest DMG in game, 2nd highest def in game, Perm vit 70% dmg increase, Cross Counter, Evasion, passive and also when geared properly already absolutely sufficient aim.

  • Gleeo, not to offend u but to me it looks like all ur doing here is justifying why ur gears arent that bad and how def is important for glad.

    wich is nothing wrong with, it sure is and u wont need cap aim on all for a pve Glad, but if u want to pvp and be able to have a chance to kill maxed-out archers/tricksters/glads u should be able to see that HP and aim are the stats to focus on and get atleast somewhat close to cap on aim

    its 2 stats and a piece of 135 glad armor is 2G (for less popular classes 80g) so mainly the costs is in the Hammers of bijou.

    said cost is the same for all classes so other classes will cost as much as ur beloved glad, and even way more if they need evasion on it too


    Now, if u have an actual argument against the 3 points i stated, AND WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS ACTUALLY ABOUT

    1. Aim talisman being out of proportion strong compared to the other talisman

    2. Least played classes getting even more useless and removing the strength of the already most played classes

    3. gamigo scamming their truest customers who spent the most on gears ( that goes also for the glads that got that goof hp/def/aim (even tho less for those)) since nobody wont need aim on gears if they can just slap on an aim talisman


    may u please be quiet? u wasted enough pages with obsessing about minor stuff, insulting and completely missing the topic

  • I'm triggered because you legit seem like a noob in understanding anything. How on earth did you come to the conclusion that eva based classes are more expensive? For jewels, you don't need high aim or at all really, so HP/eva are cheaper than HP/aim. For gears, I have seen archer and trix gears that have godly HP/aim/eva or def instead of aim going for maybe like 25 or 30G a piece. Do you know how much these would go for if they were on glad gears? No you don't because you haven't spent time looking at prices. How is having over 1k bonus aim from my items not having any aim? Idiot.


    DQ frags are obtainable but they are a pain to get 150 frags esp for popular ones like reds or blues. Like I said, the current meta is having defense on gears AND def SC, the latter working as a % so it amplifies more :pepega:. I literally said ML ears show value when your gears and other jewels are godly, so stupid much?


    Stop talking LMAO the fact that you think glads in general are kings of 1v1 PvP show you're clueless about this game. Stop drooling over a select few who spent near 1kG or even more to make your conclusion. I'm done talking with you as I don't wanna lose brain cells. Have fun quitting.

  • Yes that's literally all I've been saying, the eva that these glads are reaching now is dumb there's no defending it. It's literally just a huge safety net for any glad that has 0 skill but has money. Obviously, if gamigo released aim talisman and nothing else it would break pvp because archers/tricksters would be at a huge disadvantage but I believe they released the aim talisman because they will soon come out with yellow 135 gear (possibly from OC part 2) which will have exponentially higher eva than 135 gear and so the talisman will help prevent everyone from missing on eachother 24/7.

  • I'm triggered because you legit seem like a noob in understanding anything. How on earth did you come to the conclusion that eva based classes are more expensive? For jewels, you don't need high aim or at all really, so HP/eva are cheaper than HP/aim. For gears, I have seen archer and trix gears that have godly HP/aim/eva or def instead of aim going for maybe like 25 or 30G a piece. Do you know how much these would go for if they were on glad gears? No you don't because you haven't spent time looking at prices. How is having over 1k bonus aim from my items not having any aim? Idiot.


    DQ frags are obtainable but they are a pain to get 150 frags esp for popular ones like reds or blues. Like I said, the current meta is having defense on gears AND def SC, the latter working as a % so it amplifies more :pepega:. I literally said ML ears show value when your gears and other jewels are godly, so stupid much?


    Stop talking LMAO the fact that you think glads in general are kings of 1v1 PvP show you're clueless about this game. Stop drooling over a select few who spent near 1kG or even more to make your conclusion. I'm done talking with you as I don't wanna lose brain cells. Have fun quitting.

    I know a ranger that can kill any glad with a 120 leg xbow yet fernando thinks glad is the king of 1v1 honeyrofl

  • Talisman seems to only be an issue for PVP


    Gamigo is basically trying to patch an issue with AIM VS EVASION (Mainly for Glad vs Glad pvp) and trying to make money off it at the same time, but like always.. they unbalanced the game more for other classes.


    PROS


    GLAD vs GLAD pvp will be balanced finally


    Less Pay 2 Win (Technically its more pay to win content because you gotta enhance the thing, but your saving more money than hammering millions of gears)


    More skill based


    Old players might return, because not everyone wants to spend $1000 on glad gears.


    CONS


    People who wasted thousands of dollars on their evasion gears will be butthurt like Amro and his pets in mythic and ohana..Lmfao


    GLADS/MAGES > ARCHERS/TRICKSTERS


    FIX


    Nerf evasion on every glad gear by 150

    (Hat, top, pants and boots) 600eva altogether, which will balance the gap of 1000


    Nerf Aim tailsman to 500aim

    Add evasion tailsman 500eva


    Everyone will be happy

  • I'm triggered because you legit seem like a noob in understanding anything. How on earth did you come to the conclusion that eva based classes are more expensive? For jewels, you don't need high aim or at all really, so HP/eva are cheaper than HP/aim. For gears, I have seen archer and trix gears that have godly HP/aim/eva or def instead of aim going for maybe like 25 or 30G a piece. Do you know how much these would go for if they were on glad gears? No you don't because you haven't spent time looking at prices. How is having over 1k bonus aim from my items not having any aim? Idiot.


    DQ frags are obtainable but they are a pain to get 150 frags esp for popular ones like reds or blues. Like I said, the current meta is having defense on gears AND def SC, the latter working as a % so it amplifies more :pepega:. I literally said ML ears show value when your gears and other jewels are godly, so stupid much?


    Stop talking LMAO the fact that you think glads in general are kings of 1v1 PvP show you're clueless about this game. Stop drooling over a select few who spent near 1kG or even more to make your conclusion. I'm done talking with you as I don't wanna lose brain cells. Have fun quitting.

    missed the point of this argument completely once again and all these topics have been discussed before so i dont feel the need to answer this

  • I agree to this for the most past but id also like to add that i think glad vs glad is meant to be missing at least 5-10% to add a factor of rng (more exciting) to it


    "GLADS/MAGES > ARCHERS/TRICKSTERS" true, worst part is this being already the case judging by the amount of people playing glad/mage exceeds knight/archer/trickster/crus numbers


    "

    Nerf evasion on every glad gear by 150

    (Hat, top, pants and boots) 600eva altogether, which will balance the gap of 1000


    Nerf Aim tailsman to 500aim

    Add evasion tailsman 500eva


    Everyone will be happy"


    I can get behind this, apart from the fact of high aim beating high eva so in my opinion a nerv of 60-90eva per glad piece would give eva based glads an okay advantage of being missed on without rendering their gear completely worthless