Global Gold Sink - Suggestion/Solution


  • -well as for the T6 drops from shiny system, mixing your half truths and debasing the suggestions and miss-stating the truth doesn't lead us forward, it's just telling us to debate and that doesn't help us.
    - as for the scroll market price issues the NPC "inventory" additives didn't make the private "alchemy" sales lower when gamigo "fixed" the time to gather and sell ingredients and added more t2-3 ingredients like leathers and teeth. "we've seen the "alchemy" prices stable out in a month or so after that fix,
    so, that would be a pro for slimes/ramsears/mushrooms/saps being added too. because those take hours and hours to gather. and there is always going to be some fighting over spots, (believe me I've seen that too) and the NPC is the winner in that domino result. because the "scroll" productions are still stable, and the silvers are bleeding out of the circulation stack by stack.
    as for hurting the "scroll producers" it doesn't matter because they're still happy to sell by making items as income, it's just easier than spending hours to gather it. And these methods have already been shown. so no reason to try to debate over it.
    -- as for your idea of circulation aka re-distribution of the gems in the so called private sector doesn't do anything with other economy currencies flows, Aka cash shop, thus anyone, buying tradeable charms can make the market price "10 gems for 1 charm". (it's just that the in game community has enough sc buyers to sell premium items.) as well as other methods of bot gold sellers (because they are bringing in gems somehow, surely "you" can see 1000s of gems sold every day and where did those come from? they surely weren't circulated over time), which messes with the inflation of the communal economy market price. and there isn't any NPC who would soak or bleed out any Gems in that circle you're talking about. thus the communal "money" is static currency wise..., so why try to "debate" over it? it isn't a solution to gold sinking.
    -as for the second gold sink, capping prices, it does happen. just google it. cap-pricing is in UK, and other countries. it's putting out a decent price, with other factors to create it with a safety net of general price(s) inbetween. simply put. (as an estimate, your Utilities costs.001 cent a second on electricity. that cap is there because it's making sure you're not getting gouged by electric co-op's or private industries. and it was implemented by lawmakers) the same can be done in fiesta. although it might take a bit more thinking. it's just something that I fiddle with when i'm talking too. feel free to debate on that one.

    coolhoney
    [The Cartel]
    Larenthian

  • ^ Shawn_V01  
    I placed those ideas out, not to start a long debate over it.
    if you have other ideas feel free to put them in. not troll over ideas already placed by other members in the forum F2PWhale

    coolhoney
    [The Cartel]
    Larenthian

  • Really guys, can we not attack each other please? So few players now - lets stick to constructive criticism on ideas to hone them and then present a united front to gamigo hmm?

  • Can we have a nice discussion that doesn't derail itself overnight?


    Here are some guidelines for discussions:

    1. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
    2. If you don't like it, state your own opinions, don't tell the other person it is stupid for not matching your observations.
    3. If you don't understand them, ignore it. Don't comment.
    4. If you think they are posting ideas to insult you, LOOK AGAIN - most of the time they are not. Don't make things bigger than it really is.
    5. Don't insult anyone. Period.

    Thank you :)


    Gold sink is a touchy subject, there will be a lot of different views. It would be most ideal if there wasn't such a big gap in money earnings between low and high levels, but there is, and I don't think people will appreciate a lowering of all income number to coppers provided we already have an influx of gems, so let's see if there's a viable way we can work around it. There are a few ideas here already, perhaps there are other suggestions.

  • All this doesn’t matter anyway if gamigo keeps ignoring us. There is plenty of good ideas out there about tons of subjects already that never got implemented.

    Instead they implemented some useless kq.

    Maybe instead of writing more ideas we should be harsher on gamigo and GM’s like honeyteddy for not representing the playerbase. Because honeyteddy, you can say all these things but the bottomline is that gamigo never listens and you don’t represent us or critizize gamigo in the slightest..

    Without change in gamigo nothing will happen with any idea you guys post here.

    Discussing further is useless as long as gamigo refuses to listen. As long as GM do not represent or even try to go against gamigo.


    No point people.

    Many of you have no clue what atrocious things this company does or how stubborn they are even when good people are handing out the key to fixing stuff. They refuse to hire those people. Theyd rather keep their stuff the same and hire GM that do not talk back and are not critical, no improvement.


    It’s sad

  • Excuses Excuses.

    You gotta remember something HoneyTeddy...the game is full of capped players. Gems and Gold will ALWAYS be the primary Currency thanks to the way items cash out at the NPC's and Repeat Income. SO!...No. If this game gets lively again once the economy stabilizes (which it honest could, dont be a negative nancy) people will actually have money to afford things and want to actually play, especially if Gamigo really takes a huge interest in what we have to say since I am sure other players of the other games do not give two flips about us as we don't them.

    Global Incentives are a GOOD thing, and will utterly balance out the available gears...think about the bigger picture and stop being short minded. You are a GM, yes. You have just as much influence as we the players do on the way this game operates and progresses, but if you just want to live in the now, you can't live in the future.

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  • And people wonder why GMs don't reply XD

    I cannot remember the last time our responses were not misinterpreted.


    I haven't made any excuses. I have asked:

    1. Everyone to be civil and stop attacking each other.
    2. For other people's opinions or suggestions, based on what has already been discussed (and also based on not wiping economy clean of money).


    I don't say things here because people will take things the wrong way simply because I am a GM. This doesn't mean I don't discuss game matters in the team. You just can't see it. I don't ban people for discussing things that are constructive, but I will ban people for not respecting other people's rights, and insulting others - as per our forum rules.

  • (facedesks)

    I'm just gonna walk away from those statements.

    GM's aren't attacked as they're being held accountable...you're being held accountable by shelling out the static generic BS you and we have all heard for years. Instead of approaching the community as a open minded, civil, fellow player - you could just honestly have said the following (AS an example).


    "Sorry, we GM's do not have the privilege to disclose such information as we ourselves, are left in the dark. We have only bits and pieces of information that could be considered extremely misleading to the community, if it were provided. We can forward your suggestion/statement/request to the proper team, but please be patient is all that we ask."


    Its simple business tactics really.

    You're not giving away anything, you're not making yourself a target, and you pretty much Shut The Door and end the issue.

    As far as my thread goes, people are entitled to agree, disagree, add on, or take away and utilize it in their own sense.

    #LeaveItToBeaver

    You can clean up my thread if you so choose, or close it. Matters not to me :-)

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  • And people wonder why GMs don't reply XD

    I cannot remember the last time our responses were not misinterpreted.

    I don't say things here because people will take things the wrong way simply because I am a GM. This doesn't mean I don't discuss game matters in the team. You just can't see it.

    Isn't that all the more reason GMs should reply? We constantly misinterpret what you say because we don't know what you mean if you don't communicate with us very often... :/ unless people are purposely trolling which most of us see through right away.

    Technically you talked about gold sinks being a touchy subject and implied that you discuss game matters with the team but didn't directly say the gold sink ideas from this thread have been forwarded, so have they?

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  • Isn't that all the more reason GMs should reply? We constantly misinterpret what you say because we don't know what you mean if you don't communicate with us very often... :/ unless people are purposely trolling which most of us see through right away.

    Technically you talked about gold sinks being a touchy subject and implied that you discuss game matters with the team but didn't directly say the gold sink ideas from this thread have been forwarded, so have they?

    #GrabsPopCorn


    I'll Wait :-)

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  • Isn't that all the more reason GMs should reply? We constantly misinterpret what you say because we don't know what you mean if you don't communicate with us very often... :/ unless people are purposely trolling which most of us see through right away.

    Technically you talked about gold sinks being a touchy subject and implied that you discuss game matters with the team but didn't directly say the gold sink ideas from this thread have been forwarded, so have they?

    Not exactly, people are usually looking for specific answers, and we can't always give those. I've always made my posts as detailed as I can - it's usually the attitude people try to misinterpret. All GMs are GMs because we want to help other players, not because we want to flaunt power and ban people. I don't know any current GMs who would like to ban people 'for fun' or to oppress people.


    Of course this suggestion has been forwarded XD

    Gold sink is touchy because there is no one 'correct' answer.

    You can see on page 1 that [CM]Zao has commented on this in the past as well. I can also confirm [CM]Veralya also knows of the gold sink issue. Yes we have discussed this topic in the team as well.

    We know every suggestion that has been put on the forums. Whatever is here can be seen by everyone, there's no need to wonder if "has x staff seen this?" we all have. In fact, you have almost as much suggestion powers as GMs do by just posting on the forums. It's just a matter of making sure you word it properly so it is easily understandable, and also realizing the pro, cons and implied effects of your ideas. That's what discussion is for, not a slugfest on who's right and wrong.

  • It's just a matter of making sure you word it properly so it is easily understandable, and also realizing the pro, cons and implied effects of your ideas. That's what discussion is for, not a slugfest on who's right and wrong.

    Well said HoneyTeddy! I'm getting annoyed seeing the rants at players who's opinions differ from their own, or just a "do this pl0x" attitude, so I can only imagine how much more you see/deal with! :)

  • *yawns*

    Now that we're down a GM, perhaps its time to really start looking at what's coming our way.

    Please keep in mind, that I've been paying close attention to EVERY file change these past few months, and I've noticed a huge trend with Gamigo. Inch by Inch they're making specific changes that make things "better". Not sure if anyone has really noticed this or not, but the particular spikes and devastation that we've been seeing here lately in game play, makes a player wonder. Have you also paid attention to their FB feed? They're dropping teasers again -_-


    Nothing about implementing ANY of our ideas, suggestions, or hearing us out.

    MTX's comin'

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