Lucky Box Illegal

  • The gaming commision in Belgium has taken note of the "lootboxes" , which are considerd illegal (gambling) unless they get an age restriction and show the odds of getting each item.

    Another options is to remove the lucky boxes for Belgium players only (3 other countries are considering a law as well and/or are investigating it incl. England since last month).


    They've been illegal here for 2years now, last year EA with FIFA cracked and last December Mario kart tour became unavailable to Belgium players.


    These fines can go up to 1.6million and jail time of up to 10 years when minors are involved fyi...


    Personally im just fine with an age restriction but im not expecting anything :)

  • No, he's not kidding. Belgium was the leading country when the EU started cracking down on loot boxes as a whole a year or 2 ago. If you remember the outcry that happened when Battlefront II came out that is what started it. Looks like many countries around the world are starting to implement legislation that outright bans loot boxes, put age restrictions on them, or significantly restricts them in other ways. Gamigo's Lucky Box would indeed be defined as a loot box in regards to the new laws.

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  • No, he's not kidding. Belgium was the leading country when the EU started cracking down on loot boxes as a whole a year or 2 ago. If you remember the outcry that happened when Battlefront II came out that is what started it. Looks like many countries around the world are starting to implement legislation that outright bans loot boxes, put age restrictions on them, or significantly restricts them in other ways. Gamigo's Lucky Box would indeed be defined as a loot box in regards to the new laws.

    This.


    And it is 100% a loot box. It's a blatant form of gambling. Which is illegal in my area, as well. No way around this really...

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  • Gamigo isn't based in Belgium though. You'd probably get region based restrictions, not much else.

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  • I was just thinking about this the other day. Not specifically for Belgium but the fact that there is clear online gambling with real money involved in lucky boxes. :/


    Also, Gamigo's company location doesn't matter. What they publish online is still suspect to the internet laws of other countries if the content is accessible to individuals in those countries. For instance, GDPR laws around individual privacy/data apply to all websites accessible to those in the EU. I'm certain there are cases where other laws would apply to online content even if the site owner isn't in the origin country for the law.

  • The legal terms of service which we accept shows that loot boxes are not really a gambling avenue for "chances" because they have items which provide you the "consumer" to use although there isn't a 100% chance of getting certain items. that is according to a lot of responses from the administration to the forum readers etc...
    Right now, if Belgium and other countries feel to do implement laws over this, then that is up to them and fiesta and other games will simply block out that "service" for that pertaining country. if they all completely banded up together, towards companies then it's more along the lines of "oh well, we'll change it entirely then or just turn off that "service" permanently". so I wouldn't try to make these problems unless you the consumer, are looking for something that isn't needed. for now, the lucky boxes are hard to gather for premium items. but legally they are still not gambling. and thus a person who is legally aged for buying from said company then are participating in buying game shop items and using the game shop currencies means that there isn't a grey zone of being younger then the legal limits to gamble like some people are wondering about and saying that is why those issues should be bothered or implemented into that countries code of ethics et al. but feel free to point out those complaints of how bad the rate is for premium items, when I easily got my skin and several other ones and don't need a pretty item.

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  • It's not even gambling cause you can't win money. It is a lot worse.
    You're simply throwing away money for a chance to get a digital item that was probably created in less than an hour.


    Complaining will either make the game banned in said region or the very unlucky and that is gamigo actually doing work to improve the game.

  • This is a very valid subject to discuss.


    Belguim is just one minor case. This particular act was nearly passed in US and EU and in Japan it is also enforced because Loot Boxes or 'Gacha' systems are in place in a lot of games.


    It became a prominent issue with Star Wars Battlefront abused micro transactions. It should be noted a lot of Japanese Mobile Games actually do list the % rate of drops from a Gacha base system with loot boxes.


    Likewise Lootboxes in a game like Overwatch or Fortnite would have color coding.


    In general a Loot Box or Gacha system will be broken down into Common, Rare, Super Rare and SSR (Specially Special Rare) comes into play usually with a 1 star to 5 star system.


    Normally the rate for a SSR would be 1% in the prize pool and then during a rate up it could got up to 4%


    Sometimes they break it up so there is a Free Gacha system where you can use ingame currency farmed in the game or a paid currency and a paid for banner or loot box that gives higher results or anything from Rare Upwards and a rate up.


    However this still doesn't solve the core issue with the Lootbox/Gacha system and that's kids who get addicted to rolling for a SR or SSR item. Most games, particually on mobile will have a $80 price tag on their biggest bundle which will give the player a suffienct amount of currency to roll with. Arguably if a Parent doesn't look after their child and control what they play and spend money on, then that in itself is bad parenting.


    But as this issue continues to grow, governments around the world are taking this a bit more seriously as gaming has gone somewhat unchecked.

  • So, “kids” can spend whatever amount of money on online games using dads or moms credit card (hopefully if they allow), but cannot gamble with it? (gamble = spend whatever amount of money for the same purpose, only random…), Or, “kids” don’t have that kind of access, problem solved.

  • So, “kids” can spend whatever amount of money on online games using dads or moms credit card (hopefully if they allow), but cannot gamble with it? (gamble = spend whatever amount of money for the same purpose, only random…), Or, “kids” don’t have that kind of access, problem solved.

    Your entire post has no relevancy to the topic at hand.

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  • It is the heart of the beast though, Lawmakers want to ban the usage of "gambling" towards children, or people who are under aged. and yet that isn't even possible for many companies in video games. because if you buy game shop currencies you have to have at least be 18 years of age to do those transactions (beyond prepaid which is still under strict limits too) that makes that law moot to the government and they are over micromanaging something that the game companies have already snipped the bud of it by that with legal contracts. which you the consumer already accepted. so why worry? unless you feel like petitioning your local lawmakers to leave things alone. you'll be gucci as it were.

  • some say this isn't gambling cause we get lame item back. It is gambling cause we play it hoping to win the premium item. Not to get the lame item. Its like playing at a casino, we don't want that 15 cent win on the slot. We keep playing to win that $10,000. And at the end lose all our money. I've played the lucky box trying get an axe skin. I turn everything to credits. So I didn't get anything back at all. In the end I spend $250 on lucky box and got 4 skin but not the one I wanted. So my lost. It is gambling since its all ramdon and base on luck. In the USA, its illegal for anyone under 18 to gamble and we have kids under 18 on here spending their parents hard earn money gambling trying to win that skin. It should be illegal but no one is taking gamigo to court. So nothing will be done.

  • some say this isn't gambling cause we get lame item back. It is gambling cause we play it hoping to win the premium item. Not to get the lame item. Its like playing at a casino, we don't want that 15 cent win on the slot. We keep playing to win that $10,000. And at the end lose all our money. I've played the lucky box trying get an axe skin. I turn everything to credits. So I didn't get anything back at all. In the end I spend $250 on lucky box and got 4 skin but not the one I wanted. So my lost. It is gambling since its all ramdon and base on luck. In the USA, its illegal for anyone under 18 to gamble and we have kids under 18 on here spending their parents hard earn money gambling trying to win that skin. It should be illegal but no one is taking gamigo to court. So nothing will be done.

    No, the argument use to be every item you could win in the lucky box had a higher cash shop item value of 1.5k slime coins. This meant that you could never ‘lose’ when playing the lucky box. As the item you got back would be worth more than 1.5k.


    Nowadays you can get items with a direct purchase value of lower than what you spend meaning it is now technically ‘gambling’ since there is a risk you do not get an item worth at least 1.5k in ‘slime coins’.


    I imagine Gamigo market the game from America meaning they can run the lucky box in such a way~


    From a technical stand point the boxes shouldn’t be sold in countries that have out lawed loot boxes but alas fiesta is a small game so probably flies under the radar.

  • Gamigo has nothing to do with Belgium, there is no office and there is no game version for players from Belgium

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  • Gamigo has nothing to do with Belgium, there is no office and there is no game version for players from Belgium

    I repeat, just because they are not physically located Belgium doesn't necessarily mean that Belgium law doesn't apply to their content which is available for use for individuals that live in Belgium.

  • I repeat, just because they are not physically located Belgium doesn't necessarily mean that Belgium law doesn't apply to their content which is available for use for individuals that live in Belgium.

    That doesnt matter, its the Problem of Belgium not gamigo then.

    Gamigo is in Germany, so they have the german rights, Belgium can block the access to the game if they have Problems with it, nothing more

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  • Ofcourse Gamigo has to abide by the rules of other countries. EA, Square Enix and all those other game companies changed it for a reason you know. Saying Belgium has to block those games isnt even possible. Gamigo will probably block Belgium from the gambling content like all those other companies did... They certainly have to.

  • That doesnt matter, its the Problem of Belgium not gamigo then.

    Gamigo is in Germany, so they have the german rights, Belgium can block the access to the game if they have Problems with it, nothing more

    That's not how laws work :D Especially not with the the internet. Look into GDPR as an example.